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bjarvis ([personal profile] bjarvis) wrote2011-08-09 11:41 am
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Standard & Poors Got It Right

Last week, Standard & Poors downgraded the US' credit rating from AAA to AA+. There has been much wringing of hands about how S&P got it wrong, how they had a $2 trillion math error and such. Math errors aside, I think they got it right.

S&P downgraded the US because of its political unwillingness to address its deficit and debt issues, not its theoretical ability or inability to pay. The US has the financial ability to maintain its accumulated debt. Please remember though that the months-long political farce on the debt ceiling issue wasn't even about the future: it was about whether Congress was going to allow itself to borrow the money to cover the spending Congress itself previously authorized. If ever there was a demonstration of administrative immaturity, incompetence and childishness, this was it.

Credit worthiness is about the likelihood of a lender being repaid the money they lent. In my lifetime, there was never any question the US would pay its legal obligations. That doubt has now been introduced, gone mainstream and even made into a political platform within the very institutions which are supposed to safeguard that credit worthiness. How could the US not be downgraded at least a notch?

In my humble opinion, the US doesn't have a spending problem: it has an income problem. We're already paying the lowest income taxes since the 1950s, especially if one is very wealthy: religious fervor in reducing taxes even lower and thus creating an even larger deficit isn't the answer. Signing ideological pledges to avert a primary run-off demonstrates a further lack of maturity.

I'm optimistic in an odd way though: this latest circus demonstrates clearly that the US is not a reliable trading partner and that it's time for a major shake-up on how we do international trade & finance. Since World War II, the US has been the big gorilla at the international table; these days, not only has the gorilla been decidedly disinterested in anything but grooming itself, it's actively flinging its feces at others. Change is necessary.

The US can't cut its budget to prosperity: if it is very, very lucky, additional cuts may only cause a mild recession. Closing tax loopholes and possibly higher rates on extreme incomes will help balance the budget; economic growth can close the gap too. Personally, I'm OK with letting the Bush tax cuts expire, even though I've profited from it over the years they've been in place. I'm willing to give up my mortgage tax credit too --or at least capping it. All I ask is that any expense cutting be done evenly: no blanket exclusions for the military or supposed non-entitlement programs.

If we're unwilling to deal with this in a sane & balanced approach, there are two other options: stay the course which leads to death by a thousand paper cuts, or allow inflation to rise to whittle away at the pile of debt. The inflation option is discussed in market circles every 15 years or so, usually by conspiracy theorists and wingnuts. It's the economic equivalent of destroying the country in order to save it, but as we rule out saner choices with Norquist loyalty oaths and Jesus-told-me-no-new-taxes faith-based pseudo-economics, using this kind of napalm becomes the last option on the table.
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[personal profile] abqdan 2011-08-09 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd agree with almost all of that. The problem though is not with politicians, or with big business, but with the ill-informed public. Few people these days seem to want to pull their heads away from Jersey Shore or Real Housewives long enough to actually understand anything about our economy.

Unless that changes, the Republican/Big Business unholy alliance will continue to drag the country down hill. The very rich don't care, because their real source of wealth isn't linked to how well the economy does; neither is the survival of the huge multi-national corporations. They are all driven by one thing; making money at the lowest possible cost. Social programs and realistic wages do not figure into their calculations.

The problem then is how to get turkeys to stop voting for Thanksgiving? Simple. You stop people who already have nothing from being envious, self-centered, and prejudiced. These are the key traits that the ultra-rich, through the Republican propaganda machine, target.

Just don't expect the schools to help them lift up their eyes and recognize the truth; by systematically attacking all education programs, or (like the Koch brothers, buying the right to appoint the faculty at universities), the general population will be kept ignorant and stuck in their hatred of everyone else; except, oddly, the very rich who actually are responsible for their misery.
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[personal profile] qnetter 2011-08-09 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, you oversimplify. Creditworthiness is about the likelihood of a lender having its loan fully serviced at the terms under which the loan was extended. If those terms are "the loan is of infinite duration, as long as you pay the interest," there is no reason at all for the US to be suspect.

[identity profile] bjarvis.livejournal.com 2011-08-09 04:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you have such infinity bonds? Mine are of fixed terms.
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[personal profile] qnetter 2011-08-09 04:40 pm (UTC)(link)
That applies to individual instruments, not the total debt.

If there is, as you say, no question as to ability to pay, the only question is about will to pay. That requires inappropriate assumptions.

[identity profile] trawnapanda.livejournal.com 2011-08-09 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I've noticed on the whole that there's a very different published reaction to S&P from inside the US, or from outsiders (like me and you). A certain amount of that is yes, it ALWAYS makes a difference whose ox is being gored. [though, speaking of being gored, my portfolio - with TDCanada Trust - has dropped $17k in book value in the last week]. But S&P said there was a 50% chance of the downgrade two weeks ago. A fair amount of the shock-horror response reads to me like recoil from lese-majeste. how DARE they?

and there's more than a little similarity to the reaction (domestic vs foreign) to janet jackson's wardrobe malfunction.

[identity profile] billeyler.livejournal.com 2011-08-09 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/105193.pdf

That's some history on the MUCH QUIETER increases in the debt ceiling since 2001, with further history on how it was instituted.

Every year, I've been getting back HUGE refunds, including rebates for things like installing new hi-eff furnace and the like. All told, my federal income tax ends up being about 7% of my gross pay. That seems pretty small, and multiplied by the huge number of people in my earnings bracket, must be staggering. I'm with Obama on some sorts of tax increases; none of them makes a difference in my own standard of living or my savings.

[identity profile] pklexton.livejournal.com 2011-08-09 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll give you no argument that the US has problems, including the budget deficit, anemic growth and political gridlock (the blame for the latter, which is clear to me, belongs on a GOP gone batshit crazy, screw that "pox on both houses" BS, though Obama could have handled it better). We can't use government policy to reignite growth because we're at or near a dead end on what fiscal and monetary policy can do. And fixing the deficit will only make the downturn more severe. The S&P downgrade, however, is pretty much irrelevant to me. First, because they are quite simply whores, to put it politely, who have no particular ability to analyze this (or any other) financial situation any better than anyone else. Anyone with half a brain knows what the problems are. And second, because they've totally missed the point - what happened the day after they downgraded the debt? Investors sold equities in order to buy downgraded US government bonds, sending prices through the roof and yields to the floor. Maybe I'm missing something, but one would think a downgrade, if it meant a hill of beans, would result in someone fleeing from the security in question.

/rant

[identity profile] mrdreamjeans.livejournal.com 2011-08-10 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
This may be viewed as a contrarian opinion. but I think it's brilliantly written and accurate. May I share it with others and credit you?

[identity profile] bjarvis.livejournal.com 2011-08-10 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
Sure, feel free!

[identity profile] weekilter.livejournal.com 2011-08-10 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
"In my humble opinion, the US doesn't have a spending problem: it has an income problem. We're already paying the lowest income taxes since the 1950s, especially if one is very wealthy: religious fervor in reducing taxes even lower and thus creating an even larger deficit isn't the answer. Signing ideological pledges to avert a primary run-off demonstrates a further lack of maturity."

How about the Republican party being willing to drive the country off a cliff just so they can preserve tax breaks for the richest people in the country? Sure cuts in expenditures will help lessen our debt, but the country needs money. Taxes will provide that money. You and I don't like paying taxes, but the alternative is having a government that doesn't do anything for its citizens.